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Íóìèçìàòèêà => Èíîñòðàííûå ìîíåòû => Ñ÷¸òíûå æåòîíû, òîêåíû, íîòãåëüäû è ò.ï. => Òåìà íà÷àòà: a-1ex îò 02 Àâãóñòà 2014, 21:26:58
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Ìîíåòà äèàìåòðîì ïðèìåðíî 18 ìì. Ñ çåìëè áûëà ÷èñòîé ñ õîðîøèì ñåðåáðÿíûì öâåòîì è ðåëüåôîì. Ïîòîì îêèñëèëàñü, ïîñëå ÷åãî íå ÷èñòèëàñü.
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Èìõî, ôðàíöóçñêèé ñ÷åòíûé æåòîí.
Òèïà òàêîãî http://www.monetonos.ru/index.php?topic=61488.msg427247#msg427247
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Ñïàñèáî çà ìíåíèå. Íî... Ôðàíöóçñêèé æåòîí ñ ñîêðàùåíèåì íà ëàòûíè (èç òîãî ÷òî íàøåë) "Ïåòð Àëåêñååâè÷ Áîæüåé ìèëîñòüþ èìïåðàòîð Ðîññèè" íàâåðíîå íåìíîãî íå òî.
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Ñïàñèáî çà ìíåíèå. Íî... Ôðàíöóçñêèé æåòîí ñ ñîêðàùåíèåì íà ëàòûíè (èç òîãî ÷òî íàøåë) "Ïåòð Àëåêñååâè÷ Áîæüåé ìèëîñòüþ èìïåðàòîð Ðîññèè" íàâåðíîå íåìíîãî íå òî.
Ñ÷åòíûé ïôåííèã(ñ÷åòíûé æåòîí) ñ ïîðòðåòîì Èìïåðàòîðà Ïåòðà II. “Ïîðòðåò ñ çàêëåïêàìè íà ðóêîâå». Îá.ñò.: «Ïîäïèñü ìàñòåðñêîé â êðóãîâîé ëåãåíäå «Iohan Iacob Dietzel». Ìàñòåðñêàÿ ß. Äèòöåëÿ, Íþðíáåðã, 1820- å ãã. Áðîíçà, 1,86 ãð. Äèàìåòð 28 ìì.
P.S. 6 ôîòîõîñòèíãîâ ïåðåáðàë ïîêà óäà÷íûé íàø¸ë.... >:D
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Ñïàñèáî çà ìíåíèå. Íî... Ôðàíöóçñêèé æåòîí ñ ñîêðàùåíèåì íà ëàòûíè (èç òîãî ÷òî íàøåë) "Ïåòð Àëåêñååâè÷ Áîæüåé ìèëîñòüþ èìïåðàòîð Ðîññèè" íàâåðíîå íåìíîãî íå òî.
Ñ÷åòíûé ïôåííèã(ñ÷åòíûé æåòîí) ñ ïîðòðåòîì Èìïåðàòîðà Ïåòðà II. “Ïîðòðåò ñ çàêëåïêàìè íà ðóêîâå». Îá.ñò.: «Ïîäïèñü ìàñòåðñêîé â êðóãîâîé ëåãåíäå «Iohan Iacob Dietzel». Ìàñòåðñêàÿ ß. Äèòöåëÿ, Íþðíáåðã, 1820- å ãã. Áðîíçà, 1,86 ãð. Äèàìåòð 28 ìì.
Îí ñàìûé.
 Íþðíáåðãå î÷åíü ëþáèëè äåëàòü áðîíçîâûå "÷åðâîíöû", "Ëóè ä'Îðû", "ïèñòîëè" è ìíîãîå äðóãîå â âèäå ñ÷¸òíûõ æåòîíîâ (ñ÷¸òíûõ ïôåííèãîâ - rechenpfennig), äëÿ àáàê. À â âåêå XVII äåëàëè òàêèå æå "ïåðå÷åêàíêè ñ äóêàòîâ è äðóãèõ çîëîòûõ ìîíåò...
Ç.Û. Òîëüêî óâàæàåìûé êîëëåãà ÇÈÃÈ íà ñòî ëåò îøèáñÿ ñ äàòèðîâêîé. Ïî ìîèì ñâåäåíèÿì Äèòöåëü "òâîðèë" ñâîè øåäåâðû â ïåðâîé ïîëîâèíå XVIII âåêà...
http://finds.org.uk/postmedievalcoins/rulers/ruler/id/2228
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Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà ïîäðîáíóþ è òî÷íóþ èíôîðìàöèþ. Óäà÷è íà ÊÎÏå è â æèçíè.
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Ç.Û. Òîëüêî óâàæàåìûé êîëëåãà ÇÈÃÈ íà ñòî ëåò îøèáñÿ ñ äàòèðîâêîé. Ïî ìîèì ñâåäåíèÿì Äèòöåëü "òâîðèë" ñâîè øåäåâðû â ïåðâîé ïîëîâèíå XVIII âåêà...
http://finds.org.uk/postmedievalcoins/rulers/ruler/id/2228
Äà ! Äà! _V Ìåíÿ òîæå äàòà â íåêîòîðîå ñìóùåíèå ââåëà (äàòû èçãîòîâèòåëåé ó ìåíÿ åñòü, íèæå ïðèâåäó) .... _V Äåëî â ñëåäóþùåì îíà áûëà îçâó÷åíà â ëîòå âïîëíå èçâåñòíîãî Àóêöèîííîãî äîìà ñ ññûëêîé íà êíèãó È.Â. Ðóäåíêî "Íþðíáåðãñêèå ñ÷åòíûå æåòîíû Ðîññèêà" ... ??? (ýòîãî èçäàíèÿ ó ìåíÿ íåò,íî è íå áåäà,ó íåãî òàì ññûëêè íà Äüÿêîâà ,÷òî îñîáàÿ èñòîðèÿ äëÿ îòäåëüíîé òåìû... êòî êîìó âòîðèò ïîíÿòü òðóäíî è íåäîâåðèå íàðàñòàåò) ,÷òî ýòî áûëî îáû÷íàÿ îïå÷àòêà ëèáî ñîçíàòåëüíàÿ äàòèðîâêà ìíå ñêàçàòü òðóäíî.... Ñêàæó ïî ïðàâäå ,ïûòàÿñü ðàçîáðàòüñÿ â ýòîì, ÿ íå îäíè ñóòêè ïîòðàòèë ( áûëî èíòåðåñíî ïîñìîòðåòü ðàçíîâèäíîñòè ïîäîáíîãî ïðåäìåòà ).... 8) Ê ÷åìó ÿ âñ¸.... íà îäíèõ îð¸ë åù¸ ìîæíî ñêàçàòü ðîññèéñêèé, à âîò íà äðóãèõ ÿâíûé Ãàáñáóðãîâ ïðè÷åì âðåìåííîãî ïåðèîäà 19-ãî âåêà ... êàê ýòî ïîíèìàòü - õðåí çíàåò... êî âñåìó ïðî÷åìó ìû î ñ÷¸òíûõ æåòîíàõ ãîâîðèì ,à âåäü ïîçäíåå ïîäîáíûå â èãðàõ â ò.÷. êàðòî÷íûõ èñïîëüçîâàëè âîçìîæíî ìíîæèëè èçâåñòíûå... ( íå èñêëþ÷åíî, ÷òî ê èçíà÷àëüíîìó ìàñòåðó îíè îòíîøåíèÿ íå èìåëè.... ) Âîò òàêàÿ èñòîðèÿ âûðèñîâûâàåòñÿ.......
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P.S. Â ñëåäóþùåì ñîîáùåíèè äàòèðîâàííûå ìàñòåðà â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ èõ óïîìèíàíèåì.....
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Õîòåëîñü áû äîïîëíèòü èíôîðìàöèþ ñ ñàéòà Îëåãà Ùåðáèíèíà èìåíàìè Íþðíáåðãñêèõ ìàñòåðîâ ðàííåãî ïåðèîäà:
1450 Contz Seidenwart, Hermann Schultheiss, Ulrich Singer.
1451 Andreas Puchler, Hans Vetzer, Fritz Reichart.
1452 Hermann Hatz, Hanz Laur.
1453 Heinz Seitz.
1454 Andreas Peckenbach, Contz Schultz.
1456 Heinz Weiterstorffer.
1458 Vitus Hauer, Mathes Kipfenberg, Contz Piltwolt.
1460 Hans Bamberger, Hans Reyner, Hans Slessner.
1463 Fritz Bischoff, Niclas Hatzer.
1464 Contz Herdegen.
1465 Hanz Singer, Engelbert Weitterstorffer.
1466 Hans Koler, Hans Taschenmacher.
1467 Hans Dietrich, Hans Gropper.
1468 Adam Hofmann.
1469 Georg Hartmacher.
1471 Hans Swob, Contz Puttendorfer.
1472 Eukarius Haubner.
1474 Hans Stieber, Heintz Auwetter, Hermann Auer.
1475 Hans Schultheis, Heintz Auer, Lorenz Groppner, Contz Steirer.
1477 Hans Wetzer.
1479 Jacob Kratzel, Hans Auracher.
1481 Linhard Vetzer, Ulrich Vetzer, Lorenz Stor.
1485 Michael Luntzinger.
1487 Hans Schutz.
1488 Hans Gross.
1489 Hans Kipfenberg, Hans Gunter.
1490 Hans Pitrolt.
1491 Cuntz Schultheist, Amorosius Coter.
1492 Cuntz Loss.
1494 Heintz Schultheiss.
1495 Jacob Bamberger, Erhard Rossner, Cuntz Gosel, Hans Lauer.
1496 Heintz Duringer, Martein Schlesinger.
1497 Hans Sachs.
1502 Cuntz Hagen.
1505 Ulrich Schlesner, Hans Ramolt.
1506 Hans Pautzer, Michel Fetzer, Jacob Bischoff.
1508 Nicolas Wevss, Jacob Kratzer, Hans Bamberger.
1509 Sebastian Mammung.
1511 Hans Buttendorfer.
1513 Hans Kratzer, Hans Kipfenberg.
1514 Wilhelm Brembach.
1515 Erhart Knoblach, Jorg Schultheis (Georg Schultes).
1518 Georg Schlessner, Georg Stigler, Heintz Koler.
1520 Erhart Wust, Lorenz Kipfenberg, Jacob Stolz.
1527 Hans Fetzer.
à òàê æå íåìíîãî äîïîëíèòü è ïîïðàâèòü ïðèâåäåííûé â ïðåäûäóùåì ñîîáùåíèè ñïèñîê èìåíàìè ìàñòåðîâ, æåòîíû êîòîðûõ ÷àñòî âñòðå÷àþòñÿ:
ìàñòåð Reich Johann Christian (1730-1814) íå èç Íþðíáåðãà, åãî ìàñòåðñêàÿ íàõîäèëàñü â Áàâàðèè, ãîðîä Ôþðò – íà æåòîíàõ ôàìèëèÿ èëè çíàê - (ICR), ó íåãî áûë ñûí Reich
Johann Matthias, êîòîðûé òàê æå çàíèìàëñÿ äåëîì îòöà.
Ìîæíî äîáàâèòü â ñïèñîê
Hergen Johan Conrad master 1705, çíàê (ICH) – (I.C.H.RE.PF.),
Laufer Georg I (ñûí Wolf I): master 1610, óìåð â 1647ã.
C. Balmberger - Ïîäðàæàíèå ìîíåòàì Ãåðìàíèè, Àíãëèè, Ôðàíöèè (èãðîâûå æåòîíû) íà÷àëî ÕÕ âåêà – Íþðíáåðã.